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Wes Streeting (in the Times earlier this month via today's Guardian):
'We’ve got to identify a system of funding for healthcare that is more effective than the one we have currently got, and at the same time carries those who can’t afford to pay'.
To me this sounds like a;
a basic safety net for the poor;
a full spectrum, pay for use NHS for the bulk of the population; and
a quicker(?) private health care system for the rich?
This is not the NHS people want or voted for!
Did the people want the NHS for the 14years before the Labour Party got into Power, I am not sure they did, they kept voting Tory who did not want the NHS in the first place and who did want to privatise it all.
sure, that's a fair comment; of course, the Tories were operating a culture-war driven politics of distraction to encourage people to blame others for the travails of the NHS... but your point nonetheless stands!
I would take the last 14 years as evidence that people DO want the NHS. The Tories have never been able to campaign openly on a privatisation agenda.
Labour don't help by their pretence that efficiency or AI or PFI will keep the show on the road. Or internal markets or spurious competition.
@iaruffell I want an NHS. (And I very much do not want a health system that is anything like the one in the US.)
But can we have one? If so, on what terms? I don’t think we really have any idea because our expectations are set on notions of economic growth that are going away and not coming back.
But that’s electorally unpalatable
@urlyman @iaruffell @lyndamerry484
I've occasionally mooted a 'health Keynisanism' which would reflect the domination of health expenditure in the USA (and its economic contribution), while organising it a completely different socially directed way.... but your Q. is the one we need to ask, if only to explore how we can..... but also see @markhburton response suggesting proper progressive taxation is the answer!
@ChrisMayLA6 @urlyman @iaruffell @lyndamerry484
But in a context of either,
a) Managed contraction (degrowth)
b)Secular stagnation (stalled growth)
c)Deep recession (system collapse)
For these are the serious future options, despite the growthist fantasies of our 'leaders'.
For more on the detail of progressive taxation under a), see
https://gettingreal.org.uk/full-report/
@markhburton @ChrisMayLA6 @urlyman @lyndamerry484
In the meantime folk continue to be ill. So tax.
I am growth-agnostic myself, it is not an end in itself.